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jo-sp
05/27/2013 6:17pm

Hello all you music lovers

I have a 5E3 Tweed Deluxe clone with a Weber 12A125A. It has way too much upper midrange and too ice picky treble. Which WGS have a thight bottom, scoop'ed upper mids but with some sparkle on top , open airy but warm? I actually would like the amp to sound like a Blackface Deluxe Reverb!! 

Thanks, -JOSP

VAUGHN SKOW
05/27/2013 7:12pm

Easy: Blackhawk!!  Not just good ... rock your world good!

see: https://wgs4.com/wgs-blackhawk-alnico-speaker-tweed-fender-deluxe-amp

jo-sp
05/28/2013 3:56pm

Do you really think the Blackhawk is the right speaker for my Tweed Deluxe when I want the amp to sound like a Blackface Deluxe Reverb? The Blackhawk is supposed to be a replacement speaker for a Celestion Gold - to me the C G speaker have a lot of that upper mid emphasis and the typical British 'bell chime' which I don't like.... But maybe the Blackhawk is totally different?

I was thinking of an American voiced speaker with a thight bottom, scooped (upper) mids and some sparkle way up on top - so to speak.....

Based on your descriptions: what about the ET65,  the G12C  or  the G12C/S - you don't think I'll come closer to a Blackface sound with one of these?

Thanks - JOSP

VAUGHN SKOW
05/29/2013 10:58am

Yes, I do!  The Blackhawk most definitely does NOT have a "upper mid emphasis".  See:

https://wgs4.com/1967-fender-deluxe-reverb-quest-best-replacement-speaker

Question:  If you want BF Deluxe sound & NOT Tweed ... might want to consider selling the tweed & getting a BF.  They are SUCH (!!) different amps.  I have both, and have had several of both, and Everything about them is different from a circuit perspective ... and ultimately tone.  They may both say "Deluxe", but they are like night & day. 

Tweed: Old world P.I. and the 6v6's are running easy.  No negative feedback AT ALL, and tiny little output tranny.  Simple treble roll-off tone control.  Big, empty 50+ year old pine box.  All this equals a very warm and wolly amp that begins to distort very early!

BF Deluxe Reverb:  Modern PI and 6v6's running at or above rated top voltage.  Lots of Neg feedback.  Beefed up (by comparison) PT & output tranny.  "modern" bass & treble tone stack (and an aggressive bright cap).  Pine box now stuffed with a much larger chassis on top and a big ol verb tank on bottom.  Plus, al new values for almost ALL components...

I have tried the other speakers you mention in my '59 ... here's why I still prefer the Blackhawk:

ET65: Awesome tone, but the medium magnet doesn't allow as much clean headroom as the Blackhawk

G12C: Yes, this is very BF sounding ... you may like it ... but to me it took away too much of the organic woodiness I love about the tweed Deluxe ... and made it bite too much in the upper midrange.

G12C/S: very warm & woody ... too much for me ...

jo-sp
06/05/2013 1:55pm

Thanks for the answer.

I suppose you are speaking about the 50 watt Blackhawk for my 5E3?

And you think the Blackhawk has some that high end sparkle as well?

Thanks... JOSP