Shoot-Out at The Super Reverb Corral!
Shoot-Out at The Super Reverb Corral!
Hi fellow tone junkies! This week I’m doing another great speaker shoot-out involving the WGS Veteran 10. I’ve been hearing from amp and cabinet builders out there how amazing these diminutive little transducers are in 4x10 cabinets and combos, and I wanted to thoroughly investigate the claims. The benchmark tone is my beloved ’67 Blackface Super Reverb Amp with its original CTS Alnico speakers. Going up against the grand old gal is a modern Fender Super Reverb Repro Amp; first with the factory Jensen P10R Alnicotens, and then with a quartet of WGS Veteran 10s. I know, this is kind of like Sampson going up against Goliath, but you all remember how that story ended, right?? So, anyway,read on for the results!
For this test I went to my buddy Todd Tillemans, who owns Anything Audio in the Nashville area. Todd makes his living installing sound systems, refurbishing and re-coning vintage Tannoy monitors, and well, doing anything related to audio. In his spare time he collects cool vintage guitars, basses, and amps. I knew he had a Super Reverb repro sitting there, so I thought it would be a perfect opportunity to do a little A/B comparison. Todd and I had already compared the repro Super to my ’67 model, and we came to an agreement that the original sounded a lot bigger and warmer on the bottom end and had a much smoother top end, while also offering a larger and more open soundstage. Since the repro’s circuitry is in fact nearly an exact copy of the originals (aside from the PC board construction, of course), we felt fairly certain that the speakers were largely responsible for the tonal difference.
I’ve been hearing from builders that the WGS Vet 10’s sound warm and "vintage" right out of the box, so Todd and I were eager to see if they could warm and soften up the Super Reverb Repro - you know a little less ice-pick, and a little more sweetness. We did take the time to video our tests, but just in case you don’t want to take the time to watch the two-part video series; here is the synopsis:
Yes, the WGS Vet 10’s did in fact bring the tone of the Repro Super closer to the tone of the ’67 original. Was it 100% there? No, but the amazing thing is that those WGS Vet 10’s did produce a very notable tonal improvement over the stock Italian made Alnico Jensen P10R’s ... which cost more than twice as much as the WGS speakers. Give the Veteran 10s a little break-in time and they’ll probably close the gap even more. That’s some cool stuff; the fact that the WGS speakers were made in the same town, and on some of the same equipment as those glorious CTS speakers in my ’67 Super, well, that’s just icing on the cake!
Now, on to the videos! First, the ’67 Super Reverb Amp up against the Repro with its factory Jensen P10R speakers:
And then The ’67 against the Repro with the GS Vet tens:
So, you all be the judge!
Until next time, -Vaughn-
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Wow watched the whole thing, that was one of the best a/b's I have ever seen.
Please Please Please would you do more a/b's with some high gain amps and 4x12's.
Maybe the Retro 30 the Reaper the ET's, this type of a/b that you have done is great for helping to make the right speaker choice for each of us.
This helps to taylor our own personal sound.
I don't have much money to spend so making the right choice the first time is so important.
Thanks so much for the video.
Chris M.
Florida
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Hey Chris, Good Idea! Yes, we'll do som Hi-Gain speaker comparisons asap! -VS-
I just experience a miracle upgrade on my classic 30....so I"m now open minded.
Anything new to report in 2015 on this subject? I took your advice on the Classic....and I'm a believer!
While the stock speakers in the Repro Super WERE in fact the P10 Jensens I said they were, the blue-frame speaker that I held up as an example of what the Jensens looked like was the Fender/EMINENCE VERSION OF THAT SAME SPEAKER. Neither Todd or I noticed until after we had already done the filming. The strange thing is that, even though the Jensens are what come from the factory installed in many classic Fender re-issues, it's the Eminence speakers thet they send you if you order an "OEM" replacement speaker. Interesting, isn't it?? At any rate, Todd an I are planning some further investigation into ten inchers (talking speakers, of course) in the next blog; we'll use a pair of Vibrolux customs, and we'll try all of the tens you heard in the Super Reverb shoot-out, plus the blue frame EMINENCE alnicio tens ... Oh, and per user suggestions, I'll squelch the verb and take the time to set up some quality recording mics. Sound good?? Then come on back in a coupple of days!
I'd like to volunteer my (Bob Rissi handwired) Vibrolux for the shootout...
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Thanks a bunch for the offer, but we just finished the Vibrolux shootout with a matched pair of Vibrolux's - what would really be fun is to compare your handwired version to a factory original. Let me know if you want to do that one some day! -VS-
Soitenly! I'd be most interested in an objective comparison... Thanks!
Loved the demo Vaughn: I just acquired a 67 Fender Super Reverb as well. It had three original ceramic oxfords in it and they replaced the fourth with a brown/gold CTS alnico. I discovered that one of the oxfords was fried so I temporily replaced it with a Jensen reissue C10Q. I noticed now that the CTS cone barely vibrates even with a low E string note. Obviously ready for a recone as well.
Okay enough history, what I would like to do is get some speakers in the 67 that break up a bit early so I'm not killing the folks in the front row of small clubs. Have you tried the CTS Veteran 20 versions and do you think it would allow the amp to a breakup point with less volume. I think the WGS 10s sounded great in the reissue but I don't want to get louder. Thanks, Gary Small in wonderful wild and wacky Wyoming!!! www.coyotebros.net