Hello Guys, hi Vaughn,
today I want to try a new mix or a second try for a speaker pairing in a 2x12er cab.
Therefore I have these questions and I am thankful for anyone who could tell a little bit
about the musical sound I will get - sound character etc..
Invader - a pair in a closed back - or better semiopen?
Will it be warmer than the Celestion Greeny tone? Whatelse
Retro and ET 65 in a mix, this is often recommend for the best mix in a closed cab,
but I still like more 2 of the ETs in that cab, bacause the Retro sounds sometimes a little
bit too trebly against the ET 65 which is better in overdriven tone. ????
Veteran, the Vintage 30 competitor??? Alone or in a mix with the ET65???
What type of cab then - closed or semiopen???
At least is the Invader a more open focus soundkeeper and warmer with less high peaks
than a Green Beret or Greenback????
Thanks a lot more for all who will tell some experience in that way!! Thanks Vaughn for his
patience and nerv for our -never-ending-search for best speaker chose!!!
Greetings Holly
Hi Holly, sorr to take so long in answering this ... I'll do my best :-)
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Invader - a pair in a closed back - or better semiopen?
Will it be warmer than the Celestion Greeny tone?
Not really, they are prety much on-par with a pair of green-backs, tone-wise. The big diference is that they will not begin to compress and distort early like the 25-watt GB's do. I personally find the Invaders work just as well open, closed, or semi-open.
Retro and ET 65 in a mix, this is often recommend for the best mix in a closed cab, but I still like more 2 of the ETs in that cab, bacause the Retro sounds sometimes a little bit too trebly against the ET 65 which is better in overdriven tone. ????
Yes, the Ret has a lot of top end ... I now prefer the ET-90/Ret 30 mix ... because the ET-90 slightly over-powers the Ret30 and becomes the more dominant voice ... whearas the Ret 30 could slightly overpower the ET-65.
Veteran, the Vintage 30 competitor??? Alone or in a mix with the ET65??? What type of cab then - closed or semiopen???
If you find the Ret 30 a bit too bright, you might prefer the Vintage 30 ... almost the same sound, but with a little less sparkle and a bit less low-bottom. Open/closed ... Could go either way. I prefer open, myself.
At least is the Invader a more open focus soundkeeper and warmer with less high peaks than a Green Beret or Greenback????
Not really, again they are voiced VERY similar!
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Hope this helped! -Vaughn-
Hi Vaughn, it doesn't matter as it is a pleasure you will help in the way i could go now!
Thanks a lot for your descriptions, and of course its always funny and helpful to see your videos!
Your a very kindly guy Vaughn!
In all this ways I think the ET65 will stay and the Retro will change anyway...
But in case of all the facts I think about the power I will get with a ET90 plus Ret???
The amps I use, all tubeamps, have maximum power 30 watt, therefore I think it will be
better not to go in such highpower??? Maybe if the cabinet gets out maximal 100 watt, so both
speaker will work??
Example: ET65 -65watt - plus a Reaper HP 50 watt = just similar power and db dynamic???
ET65 - plus Retro, you are right the Retro overpowers and the cab has 135 watt out???
ET90- plus Retro...even more power, maybe too much for a 30 watt or 20 watt amp???
Therefore it is a better way to think about medium speakers to get a harmonic output with both
speakers, or even to take 2 speakers of the same rate.????
Kind Greetings and thanks a lot for all help in finding a good way!!
The amps all have 6l6/5881 tubes if that is important for speaker chose.
Holly
Vaughn, you've got me thinking about yanking out the Vet30 in my SS22 (used with a Retro 30 in a closed back cab) and replacing it with the ET90. From your SS22 demo the 90 sounds nice and spanky and the combination of the two seems like it would be a winner.